A Reasoned Belief.

It may be a fairly obvious observation, almost to the point of being unnecessary, but all people are different. We may have some similarities with some other people but no-one is exactly like us.

When it comes to what we ‘believe’ people in small communities or groups (such as your group known as ‘friends’ for example) are likely to have similar beliefs and likes, within a somewhat narrower range than that of the rest of the world’s population anyway.

A belief is generally something that we hold to be true (at least we think it is for us) for various reasons, some of which are less able to withstand scrutiny than others. A belief is generally held by someone to be on roughly the same level of veracity as that of a ‘fact’;

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“I believe i love chocolate and that’s a FACT!” Or:

“I believe dogs are far better pets than cats.” when, in fact, beliefs are largely a matter of personal choice, (based upon previous experiences) and can be disputed, even among the friendship group (sometimes even by yourself) while, by-and-large, facts are generally agreed upon by the great majority of different people and can be tested by independent observers who achieve comparable results.

To give an example: regardless of what kind of group you belong to, almost everyone agrees upon a single fact – that the sky on a cloudless day is the colour Blue (or whatever the name for that colour is in whatever language you speak). If i believe the colour of the sky is blue then my belief is a reasonable one based upon the commonly agreed ‘facts’. If i believe that the sky is green (the same colour most people believe green grass to be for example) in those circumstances – even though i hold it to be true, my belief would be considered by others to be unreasonable to the point of either me being deranged or having something seriously abnormal with my eyes or my brain, as such a belief is not supported by anything approximating a ‘known fact’.

There are some beliefs which cannot be either supported or refuted by ‘facts’, one of the most often encountered being belief in the existence of one or many supernatural beings some call God or gods.

If we only determine if beliefs are considered reasonable by whether or not they are supported by uniformly agreed upon facts then all such indeterminable beliefs above would be considered unreasonable, and indeed there are some on this planet who hold firm to such a belief themselves. There are also a very great number who would disagree with such an assessment of their belief in God/gods.

I suggest there is a better way of assessing the value in a belief than just basing it in fact. That is to attempt to assess whether or not an individual performs better with the belief or with a different (perhaps opposite) one. In other words is holding such a belief of benefit or disadvantage to the individual concerned and how does it affect the community/society they live in. Is it a positive or a negative belief for the person/community?

Sadly, this is rarely done by any individual or any belief; rather we are all inclined to stubbornly stick to our own beliefs, especially when someone has the audacity to suggest their belief is in some way to be preferred (is superior to) our own. This is often done more frequently and sometimes more aggressively than we like. (All terrorists please note).

Many of us can recall numerous instances of people with a strong faith committing some act that adversely affects other people, even entire society’s. Such instances are often widely reported in the mass media, far more so than are the millions of daily acts people of faith perform that does good to a society by reason of their faith.

Perhaps if there was a fairer way of comparing nett good with bad instances we may find that some of our commonly held beliefs would need to be re-evaluated, one way or another.

It might even show there is good reason to Believe? ( Even if there are no facts to directly support/deny it)

 

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10 thoughts on “A Reasoned Belief.

  1. There is only one Truth and that is God’s lwbut, we don’t base our Faith on what others believe or do. The Scriptures confirm the Reality of The Godhead 100%, what was written in them and when it was written only God could have known when He told man to record them, most have been proven as fact and others are happening now. God also tells us no one will have an excuse because His reality is also shown in Creation.

    As for me with having been Miraculously Healed much more than once and also having had amazing signs and wonders in my life, yes the same as others, I could never doubt God’s Reality even though I was an Atheist for almost 30 years, what I believe today is …….

    God said it!
    I believe it!
    That settles it!

    But even if I didn’t believe it or want to believe it, God said it so that settles it!!!

    As for Unity in the Body of Christ, we are to believe God’s Truth, we don’t argue about man’s worldly understanding or do we agree to disagree about it and if we have The mind of Christ we will agree as we see confirmed in the Scriptures below. The Holy Spirit does not contradict Himself or Scripture.

    1 Corinthians 1: 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    Philippians 2:1-17 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ if any comfort of love if any fellowship of the Spirit if any bowels and mercies, Fulfil ye my joy that ye be likeminded having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things but every man also on the things of others.

    Philippians 3:14-16 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore as many as be perfect be thus minded and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless where to we have already attained let us walk by the same rule let us mind the same thing.

    2Corinthians 13:11 Finally brethren farewell, Be perfect be of good comfort be of one mind live in Peace and the God of Love and Peace shall be with you.

    Christian Love Always – Anne.

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  2. What you are talking about would turn a society into a hideous melodrama. I’m pretty much down with laws and facts that are based on some kind of knowable reality. Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they choose — in their own world and time.

    Ideas like that are fun. Great to talk about, enjoy, play with. They aren’t anything i would ever imagine living with. Evan a single FAMILY run like that would be horrendous. No one would ever grow up, you realize that?

    And in any case, the power believers are never ever ever going to believe anything other than what they are sure is absolutely true. Right, wrong, indifferent? Doesn’t matter. It’s not up for any kind of debate and won’t be in the future.

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  3. Thank you for your comments Anne, clearly there is no room for argument here. On that note please see my Reminder post – your last comment is exceedingly close to breaching my one rule as i see it. It is always unwise to make assumptions about people you know very little of – as i have learned long and often, to my shame.

    We do not all have to agree, but we should always show respect to (love) our fellow human beings (and that bit really bites me ‘cos i just can’t for Trump? 😦 )

    love.

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  4. Thank you Marilyn but i feel you might be picking up something other than my intention here? I feel you have a deal of past experience on a similar topic to the one I’m attempting to promote and the past might be bearing on your reading? maybe? 😉

    As is my blogname (and constant desire) i was in this post trying to bring together more closely the seemingly ‘opposed’ camps of pure faith believers and strictly factual ‘believers’ ( those who won’t believe anything until it is proven (to their satisfaction and level of understanding) )

    I was not suggesting that we in any way give up facts and evidence and reasoned thinking in favour of pure belief/faith, but that before we dismiss the latter (by reason of lack of ‘hard’ evidence) we try to determine the nett benefit/cost to a person, and the community they live in, of a person’s belief system.

    If a person believes that the Martians will invade and destroy the earth in 2 years and 17 days time and as a result of that they change their life to do as much good to the community as they can then why would we want to deny them their belief? What purpose (other than one’s own sense of ‘truth’ no longer being violated) would be achieved by helping the person to think there is little chance of their belief being related to ‘Reality’?

    Obviously if the same person chooses to ignore the societal laws and requirements and runs amok as a result of their belief then that is not of benefit to the community and we are free to help the idiot see the truth.

    But then as a recent comment made me see… if in 2 years and 17 days time the Martians ( or a race who call themselves Martians) do actually arrive and destroy our planet we are all going to feel somewhat foolish for not carefully listening and checking his facts or allowing for some uncertainty in our own thought! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    love.

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  5. What are you talking about lwbut, it was Marilyn not me who said on her Blog………Your opinions are welcome as long as they are based on something. If you haven’t read the book, or seen the movie, shut up about it, which I think is very rude too.

    Everything I have shared with you in regards to God’s Truth can be confirmed by Scripture or Creation which also confirms that there are no Martians on other Planets, catch up on some Christian Scientific evidence so you have no more doubts but just so you know God also makes it perfectly clear too, Jesus was sent to Redeem us not Martians and God does not have favorites also all His Creation is very clearly outlined in Scripture and there are no Martians,

    Blessings – Anne

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  6. Apologies for the misunderstanding on Marilyn’s quote, Anne – i believed it had ended at the first full stop and the rest were your own words – i goofed. However, i don’t believe i was wrong on the overall tone and Marilyn never referred to the Bible at all so i don’t see that her full quote applied to this conversation or why it was necessary to ask, in what i see as a somewhat hostile manner, the question – maybe i’m being overly sensitive?

    As for Martians you seem to have taken my words far too seriously – i merely chose that example rather than a belief in God because so many people today have written off and turned off to the idea of a Christian God ( largely due to his many unchrist-like followers – the hypocrites who are holier than thou, such as peadophile priests who supposedly have God’s spirit within them or their bosses who forgive them and let them stay in the church) in order to allow them to freely consider my point without flatly rejecting it. For the record i don’t believe in Martians.

    Further for the record i seek to attract discussion with people who are inclined to not believe in God in order that we can move more towards mutual understanding of each other and hopefully each have a wider view on life than we currently do so as to eliminate ultimately our misunderstandings about it.

    As for doubts – i will confess to having them and ask God (not any man) to remove them as He sees fit.

    You may, if you choose, remind me of the scriptural quotes that state clearly “No Martians”? I missed them the first time round. 🙂

    love.

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  7. Marilyn put down Christianity lwbut, so has she read the Bible which is God’s inspired words or has just formed her view from those who call themselves Christians but are not showing it in their actions, I think she should do what she tells others to do if indeed she hasn’t read the Bible with understanding.

    I was molested from the age of 3 by 5 different Men and raped when I was not yet 15 by a Doctor and not one of them professed to be Christians but it has not made me judge every Man or Doctor as evil and hypocrites as to what they should be towards woman and I would never judge anyone’s heart anyway only God can do that and only He knows someone’s eternal Destiny but we can have assurance of our own.

    Below is a link to a Power Point lwbut, it will give you more understanding about Creation and also read Genesis but be sure to ask for God’s Wisdom and empowering first, so you will have no doubts..

    James 1:5-6 If any of you lack Wisdom, let him ask of God that giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith nothing wavering, for he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

    Creation- https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/gods-creation/

    Blessings – Anne.

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  8. Sorry to hear your history Anne, but it may be that is part of the reason you now have the faith you obviously have? Regarding Marilyn i really would prefer it that any disagreement you have be expressed on her blog which you clearly have visited rather than on mine.

    ALL are welcome here and i don’t want this to be a place of disharmony or antagonism. That simply polarises people and firms their current belief systems making us further apart than closer together.

    I have spent many many hours delving deep into Genesis and asking for His understandings. I have yet to understand how there were mornings and evenings for 3 days before God Created the sun and the stars. or when he separated the waters above the firmament of Heaven from the waters below and separated them so that the dry land could appear, where and when he put Hell in? But i suppose He will let me find out in due time.
    I’ll view the PP but i still don’t see the no martians verses?

    love.

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  9. I’d like to add that the current Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse concerns me greatly for two reasons. The first one i hope is so obvious i need not state it, such acts are abhorrently evil. The second though is one not yet being stated as far as i can tell.

    It is that at WORST the acts being reported are in roughly the same ratio in the general/secular populations of this country ( and i am talking about verified and reliably reported/recorded acts of sexual child abuse) for every 1 case reported to the commission per year for the 40 years they are looking at there have been 80+ !!! acts reported and or prosecuted in courts, over 5400 in Aus in 2013 alone compared to the 4000 or so in 40 years of the Commission. Another 7600 acts of physical abuse were recorded in that year against children.

    In both the Royal Commisions case and in our ‘civilised’ society these numbers are the ones we have evidence of sufficient for it to reach the courts. These numbers are as nothing compared to the actual and never reported cases – i am unsure as to which yours fall into? I suspect the latter, more common one.

    Where is their royal commission? Where is the comparable horror and disgust at the members of the public and family members committing this heinous crime? Why is the Church itself not pointing this out while being castigated and tarred with the same brush as secular perpetrators are getting off scott free in the press?

    How are we to stop this if we don’t see the bigger picture than the one making the headlines at the moment?

    I believe i have posted on this so as to raise awareness but it did not get any support.
    https://lovewillbringustogether.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/child-sexual-abuse/

    love.

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