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“Why” (we are not all that good at ’self-control’ sometimes)
April 20, 2008, 9:36 pm
Filed under: Opinion/Comment, Science/Nature

 ( Response to comment on Mandy’s blog)

 

Our speech centre is located in the outermost (and largest) part of the human brain the Cerebrum. This has to operate in conjunction with other areas of the cerebrum to ‘control’ our thought patterns and regulate our ideas and feelings to see if we are behaving ‘acceptably’ - ‘Self-Control’.

In terms of distance from other parts of our central nervous system (CNS) that transmit commands from the brain to the various other parts of our bodies this is the MOST distant part and takes the longest for nerve impulses to reach from our five senses through which we perceive our world and others in it.

Less distant from the CNS are the glands in the brain that control the flow of hormones that determine our emotional reactions These are most closely connected to the cerebellum or ‘little brain’

And then closest of all to the CNS is the part of the brain associated with our most basic functions, heartbeat, blod pressure, breathing etc.

What this means is - there is a ‘heirarchy’ of ‘response times’ in our brains.

Fastest and most immediately ‘responding’ to our senses of hearing, sight etc are those most basic functions (that of old we needed to ensure our very survival from enemies or things like animals that could kill us… our ‘fear’ centre

Next fastest to respond are our emotional centres (governing our responses to things like happiness, anger, sadness, etc) and

Slowest and requiring the most time to ‘react’ are our ‘control’ centres for such things as socially ‘desirable’ or ‘undesirable’ responses to things other people say or do that are not life-threatening to us but which may require more ‘refined’ responses from our mind and body. More ‘careful thought than either our ‘fear’ response or our autonomic emotional responses.

In other words - we get emotional and respond to things BEFORE we have time to think them through - emotions get ‘hold’ of our brains BEFORE we can put on the brakes in many instances.

Need a practical example to make sense of the above ‘theory’??

OKie Dokie…

You are driving your car… and without warning a kid walks right out from betwen two parked cars and is 20 feet in front of you before he sees you.

First thing you actually do is determined through fear - a horrible feeling surges through you as the potential for disaster makes it’s presence felt and you may scream something out loud unintentionally.

Next thing you do is either jam your foot on the brake or steer away from the kid - or both (emotional, inbuilt, automatic, instinctive reaction to act).

The last thing you do is to try and decide carefully and logically what you should be doing to keep yourself safe, the kid safe and any other road users safe.

This usually only has time to come into your brain after the first two things have already happened.

Like… we most often think of the right thing to respond to someone or something AFTER we have already reacted emotionally (and frequently after the person we just offended or insulted ( or who insulted us) has left).



A Little Geography Lesson
April 3, 2008, 11:37 pm
Filed under: Opinion/Comment, Science/Nature

Oz

 

Australia - the Island between the Indian and Southern Pacific Oceans - a coupla thousand kilometres North of Antarctica is my (adopted) Home.

It has a tad over 20 million population, from virtually every country on the planet, and has a Coastline that measures (if stretched out into a single straight line) roughly 60 thousand kilometres which equates to one and a half times the globe’s circumference around the Equator!

That means that every single Aussie has roughly 3 metres of coast for their very own!

 Here’s my permanent allocation…

 MINE! (Click to enlarge)

…I took the photo today.

Along with these:

And these of our National Surf Lifesaving Championship preliminary events:

And lastly - Tam! Avert your gaze - Speedo Warning!

 El Speedo(Click if you dare) :-)

 I’d like to say the Dude holding the Malibu is me - but i’m much more Buff than that! ;-)



Mysteries of Modern Computing
March 24, 2008, 3:46 pm
Filed under: Humour, News/Current Affairs, Science/Nature

logging in

OK - Here’s the thing.. I hate it when a computer that does something perfectly well one day seems to do something completely different the next! It BUGS me and i try like crazy to figure out what happened and why. Some times i am completely baffled .

I have grown up using computers since my High School days (longer ago than i care to recall) and the days of punch cards and MS-DOS. I have studied various computer courses and languages including the original ‘BASIC’, Unix, Pascal and even a misguided attempt at C ++. I have lived through at least 7 regenerations of Windows from Ver 3.0 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.1 (for those with memories that long!) so i believe i have a fair idea of what computers are and how they work, although i confess, Microsoft seems to me to be going where no man has any right to go in my humble opinion!

I have (and i am sure other WordPress users have too) noticed some weird stuff happening lately that it didn’t used to do - or maybe it always did it and i just had not noticed it fully - but Here’s the Thing - and forgive me if this is not as much news to you as it was to me but i must have missed the ‘information evening’ if there was one that told everybody this….

WordPress wants you to log in each time you ‘use’ it now.

The tricky part is - you can still use it if you don’t!! - and even trickier - it sometimes seems to do it for you ‘automatically’ without you having to do anything - or maybe that is just a ‘hangover’ from the last time you used it and it had not logged you ‘out’ yet!

I fear i am not making much sense… to fill it in a little for you…

You know the icon picture that usually goes next to your name when you comment? Well sometimes i see mine and sometimes i don’t! Sometimes i can see other’s icon’s and sometimes i can’t. - This sort of thing BUGS me as i said before…

NOW - i know why that happens (i think)… and a few more things (like comments not appearing after i write them - or having no trace of me writing one on my own dashboard under ‘comments’ etc.)

I HAVE to log in BEFORE my comments are ‘approved’ or before WordPress will ’show’ my picture icon!  If i don’t log in i can still leave comments on my or other people’s blogs as ‘lovewillbringustogether’ but they go to await moderation on someone’s email list before they will appear on their (or even my own!) blog. ( or perhaps they are even ’spammed’! :shock: )

I can read my own blog without logging in - i can add comments without doing so - but i cannot ’see’ my Dashboard’ unless i do and it will not keep track of comments i make unless i do!

This was not made clear when i was reading the initial ‘brochure’ before becoming a WordPress consumer (or maybe it did and i didn’t read all the fine print) - But i know it NOW!

And if you have read this far - hopefully now, so do you - Always Log In, People! 

Hint: - if you cannot see the blue (well mine’s blue anyways) menu bar at the very top of your WordPress window that shows things like ‘My Dashboard’ and ‘My Account’ then you ain’t logged in!

Go Here: logging page



How the Other Half Live…
November 26, 2007, 11:54 am
Filed under: Opinion/Comment, Science/Nature

Ok - I promised someone very special  (and perfect! ;-) ) that the next time i was down the local beach i would take a few shots to show her what my home City is like…

The Beach is about a 15 minute drive from where i live and is called City Beach -Take a guess why that is?? :-) )

A friend and i bought some Fish and Chips (an english ‘delicacy’ that has survived the transfer to this side of the Equator quite nicely) and ate it out of it’s paper wrapping, sitting in our car, watching the Sun go down over the Indian Ocean, and watching all the beautiful and not so beautiful people enjoy the end of a simply perfect day in True ‘Aussie’ style.

It simply does NOT get much better than this…

Beach 1

Beach 2

Beach 3

Beach 4

Beach 5

Beach 6



Freaked Out Friday
November 16, 2007, 11:37 pm
Filed under: God, Humour, Music, Religion/Spirituality, Science/Nature

OK - late change of plans these - things happen to us all no doubt :-)

 Anyone out there like MUSIC??

 I’ll take that as a yes.

Anyone out there like Mathmatics??

I hear crickets chirping??

I know Someone besides my self does!

Don’t panic - this will be REALLY simple stuff - Child’s play in fact. We all liked to play as Children huh? (Well, i liked to ‘play with numbers’)

Next time someone ‘Tag’s me (You’ve had one turn Chris!!!) one of my ‘random facts’ will be that from around the age of 9 i started counting at night as i went to sleep… The aim was to count to a MILLION - in one’s…1,2,3,4,5…

I had a sheet of paper by my bed and would keep ’score’ in thousands! I don’t recall exactly how long it took but i would count between one and five Thousand a night. I would ‘mouth’ each number,  but either silently or in a very quiet voice. I got to be able to ‘count’ rather fast and could ‘rattle off’ one to twenty in something like 2-3 seconds.

I did eventually reach one million but it was not until my parents had emigrated from the UK to Aus and it was easily six months or more after i arrived here having started some 12 months before.

I did not count EVERY night! What do you think i am - some kind of obsessed nutcase, or something?? ;-) 

 Now i KNOW i had a perfectly good reason for starting this at the time - it just escapes me for the moment. It may have had something to do with my early fascination for Astonomy (and Dinosaurs! ) because both of these two subjects refer to ‘millions’ a fair bit (galaxies Millions of light years away from Earth and periods more than 65 million years ago, when science says the dinosaurs were almost completely wiped out by sudden extreme Global Climate Change!)

I just wanted to get a ‘feel’ for exactly how BIG a million was - and i did just that - trust me - when you hear the word.. ‘million’? you don’t really appreciate it for what it actually IS - it is a LOT - you will trust me on that, won’t you? :-) Try it yourself and just see to make sure i am not lying here! ;-)

 Back to the music…  (and maths)

Anyone who reads their Bible (or is aware of their world about them) will understand that Seven is a Perfect Number!

You do all know this - right?

Simple math - VERY simple math - GOD math - the Binary System??  Only 1’s and 0’s?

We start with nothing 0 - where ‘it’ all begins from (binary numbers/counting i am talking here - don’t read MORE into that than you should! - ok? ;-) )

Then we go UP to One - 1 - complete and perfect - fulFILLED. (read into that what you like! :-) )

 Next is two which God writes 10 (one zero not ‘ten’  - second ‘generation’ - one down from ‘Parent’ - 1)

Next comes three which God writes as 11 (one one not eleven - try to forget what you learned at school - God was not your teacher there, for most things, man was, and he is not the most ‘reliable source’, for some things! ;-) ). This fulFILLS the second ‘generation’.

Next comes four or 100 (one zero zero), start of third generation…

Five is 101 (one zero one); six 110, and finally, to complete and fulFILL the third generation is 111, one one one.

 0

1

1 1

1 1 1

 

Perfect! :-)

What about the MU-SIC!??

 

Well - here’s the REALLY Freaky part…

 

I Just said that to get you to pay attention! ;-) Who would want to read a post all about the Number Seven? and me and my weird childhood ‘ways’?? :-)

 

Oh - some more examples of Perfection in Seven (completeness)…

7 ‘Whole’ notes in Music (A - G)

7 Colours in the Rainbow/Spectrum of light (R,O,Y,G,B,I,V)

7 Known planets (back in the Time the Holy Bible was written.

7 Chakra’s in the human body ( i just threw that in there so the eastern philosphies.religions would not feel left out!)

7 Wonders of the World.

7 Days in a week ( ok - music reverence or reference, Whatever!) The Beatles said there were 8 days a week  -the Beatles were about the best musicians ( in terms of outright popularity and fame) known to man. They Knew a Thing or Three - more on that ‘later’) :-)

And…?

 # 7 ? ( Hi Tam !)

 How many letters in ‘Perfect’??

 Just a coincidence?? :-)

 

You know there are more ‘Sevens’ out there in the World.. what are your personal Favourites?

  



House Rules.
November 11, 2007, 7:28 am
Filed under: God, Humour, Jesus, Love, Opinion/Comment, Religion/Spirituality, Science/Nature

Galaxy

Just WHO’s Universe IS this anyway? :-)

Whoever ‘own’s it get’s to establish the rules that apply to it - ‘this is my Father’s House’ - i have to play by His rules until i can build my own…. ;-)

What ‘rules’ would/will/have we put ‘in place’ and in stone????

In ‘our’ Universe’s and can anyone else live solely by them, in them?

What would be the minimum set of such rules we All could abide and live by???

House

 love



The Road Not Taken…
November 5, 2007, 11:21 am
Filed under: Love, Opinion/Comment, Religion/Spirituality, Science/Nature

fork in the wood

Ok - Another way of saying a bit of what i’m TRYING, so poorly it seems, to make ‘clear’ here (and about Me)…

Robert Frost (US Poet 1874 - 1963) Wrote ‘The Road Not Taken’, which in part, declares about a person’s ‘journey’ the following:

 Two roads diverged in a wood, and I —
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Which road would you choose? The clear, well-worn one of so many others?

Or the dark,creepy,spooky looking one with the ‘Keep Out’ sign, Skull and Bones, where Angels have clearly, dared not to tread?

The High Road or the low one?

This was in part the inspiration for M Scott Pecks work, ‘The Road Less Travelled’ and for anyone who still is unclear of where i am coming from this MAY give you another way of looking at it, me, and a whole lot else besides…

I recommmend you read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Scott_Peck#The_Road_Less_Traveled

Then ask any questions you feel necessary for clarification.

Some can’t see the Wood for the Trees … or the Beams.

WE all have our own roads to travel. I’ve already walked three or four myself :-)



Heresy
November 4, 2007, 5:19 pm
Filed under: God, Jesus, Opinion/Comment, Religion/Spirituality, Science/Nature

We can think or we can feel, we rarely do both at once - Head/Heart divergence.

divergence :

noun
1.  the act of moving away in different direction from a common point; “an angle is formed by the divergence of two straight lines” 
2.  a variation that deviates from the standard or norm; “the deviation from the mean” [syn: deviation] 
3.  an infinite series that has no limit [ant: convergence] 
4.  a difference between conflicting facts or claims or opinions; “a growing divergence of opinion” [syn: discrepancy]

Ok Here’s the thing - i think differently to the way many others do.

Many try to (or are not even aware that they) think only with their minds - or mainly while ‘residing their awareness’ (as opposed to ‘consciousness’ - if you don’t get the diference please ask) primarily or solely in the mind - mental ‘condition’.

This can have some use when you wish to think logically and with ’structurally sound’ methodologies - providing of course that no errors ’sneak’ in without you being ‘aware’ of it. (’conscious’ could sort of fit there too - in that sense there is similitude).

Such thinking can however only get you ’so far’ and then you may hit a dead end and may need to retrace some steps and try something ‘new’ - a different ‘pathway’ to arrive at useful perspectives that you may, while being ‘locked into the mind’, not be capable of ’seeing/feeling’.

There is more than one way to Truth - much more.

Science now shows conclusively that the Heart has neurons - just like those in the brain - and that indeed they form a neural web with the brain. Science has yet to establish that there are any similar webs with other bodily ‘organs’ but i for one am going to take a leap of faith and suggest that the ancients were not a million miles shy of the mark when they said that we have ‘gut’ feelings, and our stomachs also have a connection with our brians and and hearts and vice versa.

It is no accident in my mind that we can ‘digest’ someone’s thoughts or words. Or that we can ‘consume’ knowledge.

The human body is an intricate interconnection of individual yet interconnected sytems (at least seven separate ones ).

Namely:

Circulation System - blood vessels - Heart.
Nervous system, nerves, Brain ( heart) transmit external stimuli through main control ‘centre’
Digestive system, mouth, gut, anus (former and latter are sometimes ‘interchangeable’ i.e. many can talk out of their arse in more ways than one.).
Musculo-skeletal system - muscles and bones - structure and motion!
Respiratory system - mouth lungs ( heart) Breathe!
Endocrine system - various internal smaller organs, under primary control of brain and selves ( heart) are responsible/governed by to a large degree emotional response.
Lymphatic/Urinary systems - lymph nodes/glands, Kidneys, bladder. waste disposal.

And there is also the little matter of the Reproductive system which is the only one of these sytems that is ‘unique’ to the male and to the female of our species.

There are some ’separate’ subsystems as well but those 8 pretty much cover all human capabilities, i believe.

So where could God fit into these systems so that we ‘experience’ Him? Hmmmmm…

All that earth-based systemology - where’s the God Gland/system?

He is in the ‘whole’? I don’t believe so - we are the whole ‘here’ - not God.

So Where?

Or is God simply a human, Earth-based construction after all?

He is invisible - has no ‘existance’ within us?

Does not require corporeal form?

So what was Jesus all about?

Is it enough to simply use one or more of those above systems to find our way back to God???

I don’t believe it is.

Many seem to.

Many are going to be sadly disappointed if Judgement Day comes anytime ’soon’.

So how could we possibly use anything ‘else’ to connect fully and perfectly with God so as to walk ‘with’ Him without fault or blemish as the Bible says Enoch did?

Some ‘external’ ‘force’? The Holy Ghost?

God? God can work miracles we are told.

So if that is all it takes He could simply place the Holy Ghost inside each of us and We are all saved.

Or, to fit with those who teach that we must ‘choose’ God to be with Him, once we ask for Him to grant us the Holy Spirit then we are ‘done’.

Or perhaps we have to live a life full of good works as well as asking in order to be ’saved’?

Again, I don’t believe so.

I think we have to do MORE than any of these.

I think to be with God again we have to do ‘more’. Be ‘more’. Know ‘more’ - GROW ‘more’ than any of this.

We need to fully understand our ‘limitations’ before we can begin to overcome them so as to be like unto God.

There IS a way to God - if you believe the Word of The Bible and of Jesus Christ.

I believe that if you understand Fully then you can work towards a Worthy Goal.

Heretically, I believe that just knowing Jesus Christ is not a guarantee of Salvation and that those who ‘knew’ Him by another ‘name’ are not guaranteed to be excluded from God.

And now that i have given just about everyone cause to think me crazed/unhinged i will end this post…. for now.

And wait the storm clouds and see who thinks and who feels, what.



I’ts Life Jim, But Not As We Know It!
October 25, 2007, 8:50 pm
Filed under: Science/Nature

Triangulum Nebula 

If we consider the simplest element known to science - the one proton, one electron Hydrogen atom - it is difficult to see how such a simple concept could ever be the ‘designer’ of an evolution of over a hundred different elements with all their various chemical properties and their vast number of isotopes that exist in our Universe. Further it is hard to see any way that a simple Hydrogen atom can be considered to possess the essential properties of Life, namely the ability to be born, feed itself, evolve and self-replicate (breed) and die.

At least that was the case before you finished reading this article!

Consider an innumerable quantity of said Hydrogen atoms as can be found floating in the ‘emptiness’ of space.

The combined mass of these zillions of Hydrogen atoms result in a noticeable effect. Their combined gravity (requiring no other ’external’ force) causes the cloud to develop more dense regions over time. This process is self-sustaining in that, the more tightly a quantity of these atoms group together, the stronger the gravitational pull combines to attract more and more atoms towards the Centre of Gravity of the region.

Eventually the mass of hydrogen can become so dense and massive that gravity forces the atoms into such a state that nuclear fusion can take place spontaneously. Allowing for a single very simple ‘external’ force of neutron radiation the process of fusion in the center of the ‘critical mass’ of hydrogen atoms (nucleii) allows a number of hydrogen isotopes and helium atoms to be ‘generated’. Over time these new isotopes and elements are in sufficient numbers to allow the build up of larger and larger atoms and isotopes. Ultimately (given sufficient initial mass of hydrogen for the fuel of fusion, as has been ‘kick-started’ by gravity and ionising (neutron) radiation alone) atoms of sufficient size are created that can be split into smaller ’second generation’ atoms through the bombardment of these nucleii by high energy neutrons, which we know as the process of ‘fission’.

Both fission and fusion, through the conversion of small quantities of matter into energy, provide the energy necessary for the self-sustaining nuclear reactions that form the many products with which we are familiar in their listing on the Periodic Table (currently over a hundred and ten different elements, most with multiple isotopes).

Looking at an overview of this process we have a single, very simple type of atom with the energy of gravity and neutron radiation that is ultimately able to feed itself (with fusion and fission energy and ‘recycled’ neutron radiation), to grow into a wide variety of new types of atoms/isotopes and to self replicate through fusion, fission and radioactive decay.

Because of the fact that a solar nuclear furnace is not a closed system, in that radiated energy is ‘lost’ to the system, and the source of hydrogen atoms is not inexhaustible, as well as the fact that the conversion of matter into energy eventually ‘drains’ the system of the fuel it needs to continue replicating, all stars will ultimately ‘die’.

These are the features we ascribed to life at the beginning of this essay!

In short Gravity, neutrons and a number of Hydrogen atoms can ‘design’ all by themselves a process comparable to that we call ‘Life’!.

The star is ‘born’, grows, evolves into ‘higher’, more complex forms, supplies its own energy (food!) and ultimately, after perhaps billions of years, ‘dies’.



Uncertainty - Belief vs Reason (part II)
October 22, 2007, 1:04 pm
Filed under: God, Opinion/Comment, Religion/Spirituality, Science/Nature

OK - Have we all let that soak in for a while and refreshed our brains and our coffee/tea cups? Good!

Quick recap: Werner Heisenberg. Uncertainty Principle (HUP). It’s impossible to know with 100% certainty ‘exactly’ two things about a thing at the same time at a VERY basic level.

It should go without saying that it is even ‘more’ impossible for knowing (or observing) three or more things about a thing at the same time for the same reasons Werner proved to all.

OK. Werner was Good but he only went so far. Not very far at all apparently since he basically stopped at the atomic level and much of human experince in our world is way ‘above’ this - or so we currently tend to believe.

There is a growing amount of evidence that much of our life (eg. the way our brains actually operate) is controlled BENEATH this level - WAY beneath! At a Quantum level! - The world of the infinitessimally small ‘Quantum Foam’. The ‘dimensions’ of quantum foam make those of atoms and electrons look like galaxies. We are talking beyond minute here.

Strange things happen here - The impossible becomes merely a well-defined, definite’probability’. Here there is no ‘reality’ as we understand the term in our daily lives, just ‘probabilities’. Mathematical ‘odds’ of something being ‘true’ - a 99.9 % chance of something happening does not make it true in all cases - just 999 out of every 1000.

Good enough for me you may say - but would you bet your life upon it?

There is a 999 chance in 1000 that a rifle has no bullet in the clip - do you put the barrel to your head and pull the trigger to show how ‘right’ you are? You’d be right 999 times out of every one thousand… that one remaining though is what would bother me ‘most’.

Are you feeling lucky, Punk? :-)

Don’t forget! That rifle with a bullet may very just be the FIRST one you test, then you don’t get another 999 chances to be ‘right’, straight after!!! That’s where probability sucks. That’s why you see all those people winning the lottery and why it COULD be you one day but for every winner there must be around 8 million who don’t win at each attempt.  Winning twice or three times  in one lifetime well that’s just plain greedy!  ;-)

Back to the point - it is ’slipping’ a bit i feel.

Reality isn’t quite the picture we paint it to be. At least the canvas we ’see it’ occuring on is not what we might ‘believe’.

Way back up at the ‘human’ level. Quantum and relativistic effects become so negligible they virtually ‘don’t count’ This is because with an individual ‘quantum probability’, when amalgamated together with the massive quantities of probabilities we experience at the human level, the individualities become so interwoven with all the others that a seemingly seamless ‘common probability’, that is what our ‘reality’ actually appears to us as, ‘exists’ with a probability of around 1 to 1.

Nonetheless, they are still very ‘real’ - moreso than our daily lives are. ( I KNOW how confusing that gets - if you don’t get it yet - don’t worry! but try this to give you an idea… you are an individual, you have unique ‘fixed’ (kind of) qualities. You are also one of some three hundred million or more if you are American (and stats show most of you reading this are). By grouping you all together a ‘picture’ of ‘the average American’ is built up and America can make decisions as a ‘unit’ even though it may be far from the decision you personally would have taken ( or maybe not?) as a valid part of that ‘Unit’. Here, you are the Quantum and America is the ‘real’ you - reality in probabilistic terms. You do not control America yourself but you are an essential indivisible component of it with your own unique qualities/probabilities - make more sense?

We can only ever, AT BEST, be one hundred percent certain about ONE ‘aspect’ of something at any one time is what Heisenberg proved to us all.

So - what is the Spirit of this and how could it extend to us as we discuss ‘things’, when we try to discuss the ’same’ thing - or an aspect of it - like Faith or Belief or Reason?.

The harder we try to ‘nail’ one aspect of something to the ‘wall’ to show others - the more ’squishy’ another aspect of it becomes and slides down the wall.

Oh Yes! - VERY Scientific description and ‘logical’ conclusion - I don’t think! :-)

Radical perspective switch here!.

You’ve heard the saying the Devil is in the Detail? That applies here and is in perfect (to me) accord with Werner.

The more accurately you place something in your consciousness or the greater detail you can get down to, or go into - the further away you push another aspect of that same thing. It is Impossible to ever come close to holding both a perfect understanding of Faith and a perfect understanding of Reason in one human brain at the same time!

-  LWBUT’s Uncertainty Principle. ;-)

You can have 100% faith and a less than perfect concept of ‘reason’, or you can have 100% reason and a less than perfect understanding of faith - you can’t do both at once!.  Perhaps another way of putting it is this: If you try to ‘prove’ faith (or God) by reason alone you are doomed to fail to understand the thing you are trying to ‘define’.

This is because by being more and more ‘reasonable’ you ‘quantify’ faith and that simply is not what faith is all about.

Any more than by holding a faith perspective you can ‘justify’ your reason. Reason Justifies Reason - Faith Justifies Faith.

That is not to say that either are not valid and useful human endeavours or that ‘possessing’ one requires a total abolition of the other.

That was NOT what Werner or I am saying.

Those who have faith can also use reason to test their faith. Those who have reason can and most certainly DO use faith to hold up their structure of reason.

Don’t believe me?

Take a good long hard look at what an AXIOM is. Get a dictionary to prove it to yourself.

Axioms are taken on faith and can be, and occasionally are, shown to be completely wrong, requiring a total and complete restructuring of an existing ‘belief’ system. - even those considered mostly ‘rational’.

Reason can fail us because our logic is all to often faulty and imperfect and reason also fails us by not acknowledging loudly enough it’s own potential for flaw - Axioms!

What is an Axiom?

It is the ‘reasoner’s equivalent of faith - a Belief which it is impossible to ever prove, upon which all else depends.

That’s right folks - the pretenders of logic and reason have no more basis for saying so loudly how foolish you are than  they have for being so certain they are ‘right’!!!

Their scientific method may be structurally sound but it is built upon some very ’shifty’ sand!

And if they were honest with you or honest with themselves they would confess this to you up front. If they even know it, that is.

Axioms and Scientific Method are to the Scientist as is Faith in God and scriptural doctrine are to the believer, as galling as that is to them and as hard as it is to admit!

The closer they try to nail something down - the more their essential ‘flaw’ upon which their reasons depend makes it harder to.

No matter how certain they become, a little ‘chink’ soon appears to make them reconsider what actually ‘IS’. What the fundamental underlying concepts are.

It happened to Newton - it happened to Einstein - it is unavoidable.

Life IS ‘uncertain’ in more than one ‘aspect’.